It starts at 21.20.
All present except Risi, Paleari, Trevino and Lucchini justified absent
- 1. Communications on the activities of the Mayor of the City and on facts and events of particular interest to the community (Article 66 - Rules of the City Council).
- 2. Updates values \u200b\u200bof alienation of the rights of ERP surface of housing arrangement according to Law 865/71.
- 3. New criteria for the resale of housing facilities in accordance with Law 865/71 and subsequent change to the previous resolution of Civil Law 69 11 .11.2010.
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1. Communications on the activities of the Mayor of the City and on facts and events of particular interest in the community (Article 66 - Rules of the City Council).
- appropriation for Floods in Veneto
It was decided not to allocate anything because of budget problems. The junta has done so due to a personal appropriation.
- Thefts of bicycles
has been developed on the site the updated form to the complaint.
- First Aid Course
will begin in March, was chosen following a survey which says Mariani.
Mariani : I wanted to integrate the cultural program with courses that affect the population. We distributed questionnaires to parents at schools, asking them to indicate what were their interests. The first aid course was the most voted, and then arrange three nights in March with the help of Rho Aid.
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2. Updates values \u200b\u200bof alienation of the rights of ERP surface of housing arrangement according to Law 865/71.
Mayor : it is a problem under discussion for a long period. We tried to do everything possible to close This process, as requested by citizens in order to be able to resell your accommodation. We would like to close today's debate on this issue and we've decided to leave space in this advice. We have already discussed at length, both when we were the minority, both from the majority.
Armani : we would have liked to see the mayor or the commissioner to explain the terms of the changes, the new criteria, the regularization of the families who have already paid and the duration of the new contract. We are interested in understanding the amounts because there are doubts about how and when.
The Land Agency confirms the assessments made in 2008 by the previous administration (questo significa che le polemiche fatte in campagna elettorale erano inutili). Anche noi trovavamo alcune valutazioni elevate, non ci piacevano, ma era ciò che l'Agenzia del Territorio stimava a norme vigenti. Come amministratori potevamo fare il 15% di sconto e concesso ai cittadini uno sconto del 5% ulteriore per chi avesse aderito entro una certa data. Con questa adesione i cittadini avrebbero avuto la piena proprietà degli immobili.
È anche vero che i terreni erano stati acquisiti dalle cooperative a prezzo politico; oggi per entrare nella piena proprietà bisogna "recuperare" quanto abbuonato a suo tempo per il prezzo politico.
Aggiungo che i soldi incassati da questa operazione, denunciata in campagna elettorale come un modo di raise cash, had earnings that were managed by the new administration. They were the people that asked us to proceed with this option.
is different but the new contract, which must be defined in time and content.
In those years we have defended the Land Agency because it is a delegated authority to these studies. But when I saw the last response received by the agency in mid-January, which is identical to that of a year ago. The last letter in place includes a list of possible reductions, but that in substance, according to the interpretation that we give ourselves, but also the agency requested from us. That is, there may be financial benefits, but the final capital to pay remains unchanged.
Sorry for individuals, but you must protect the financial interests of the entire community.
declare our willingness to find a solution together, share the concern of the mayor who says we need to clarify and close this question, we do not have preconceived views or obstructionist.
I still remember the 31 families who have already paid, we believe that we should complete the documents as soon as possible.
Mayor : Regarding the 31 families, the required step is that the City Council. We want to close it in the best possible way. If there are tweaks to be done we have always been available. We asked for clarification and we are assured of being able to close the matter and believe that doing so is unfair to citizenship
Irmici : I wanted to clarify that the right of ownership is not the right to sell the free market. If there is an agreement on an accommodation, even if you own, this is true. If there is a constraint on price, the bond remains.
Armani, but then what is the difference between ownership and full ownership?
Irmici : To my knowledge there is no difference.
Secretary : full ownership is opposed to fractional ownership, but not involved in this case
Ranieri: We fact that the meetings had to do, inspired by the connection to the controversy. But after your speech I make some considerations. After 15 years of administration only in recent years have tried to close the practice, trying to heal the chests of the town and take the votes of cooperativists.
The speech offered a quote you at the time, after our complaints, you managed to get a discount. That was legitimate and that obtained by us is illegal? Us this evening, however, we are only approving the new prices, not the form of the Convention. Since we are not satisfied with the reduction obtained from the adjacent municipalities, we have decided to grant rateazzizione amounts.
is granted Mr. Petricca word this morning that a document was registered on the property rights
Petricca : the document that clarifies how I registered this morning to be granted the right to property. In particular, says that full ownership excludes the existing convention.
Irmici : is an interpretation, is to be evaluated more precisely.
Lazzaroni : I am surprised to be asked today not to debate, when for years the controversy on this issue has become. I'm surprised with the offer to a non-aggression pact with us, because it is a style of politics that I believe correct. If he does some of our mistakes, if the same does anyone of you.
This proposal was not submitted, it has a long history that stems from a law states, citizens seeking to join, by an administration that having to protect the citizens but also all other applicants, seek an opinion from a third party right for this. We were surprised at the time when they did a discount in 2008. What I did not understand, however, is where the estimate has changed. Because there is a 15% of which is responsible for public administration, we did but it seems to me that you were and you will agree. There are other questions that have not been answered: in addition to what has changed the estimate because the contract does not finish? And for families who have already joined, can there be written in the resolution that "if the law allows it" will be a discount. It is obvious that the law should allow this, but the discount will be playing or not? Leave these ambiguities in the documents opens the door to new interpretation and further extensions of the practice.
Ranieri: this clause is due to your fault and your threats of being brought to the Court of Auditors.
Lazzaroni : we have questions. The fight does not interest us, we are interested in the answers.
Mayor : Regarding the announcement, we will do in the short deadlines and we will see them, because I do not think there is a constraint on the closure. On legal constraints, they often show in the deliberations.
Armani : I just want to clarify that I never threatened to go to the Court of Auditors, I said that if the Agency had to provide dramatically different values, I would be concerned about the health of those officials.
Secretary : the resolution was amended and revised by me, I took for example the sentence "if the law allows it" and turned into "if possible". This is not the subject of the resolution, you mentioned only for completeness. Will be explored with both the notary who with the attorney consultant.
Armani is right to talk of updating the estimates because the estimates are unchanged. Changing the method of payment. In addition to the families who have paid to be taken into account that the financial discount to be granted for years already trascrosi.
I also believe that the discount is provided for those who pay in one installment to be revised if it allows payment by installment.
Mayor : rateazzizione on, every town does what he wants. We thought we were doing in 3 years
Armani : another cause of concern is the fee a notary public who asked for about 200 €, but now the notary of your choice will ask € 500.
Mayor : 500 € includes the rights and additional expenses. The practice should be about 160 €.
Vote:
favor: 9 (Majority)
Abstain: 4 (Minority)
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3. New criteria for the resale of housing facilities in accordance with Law 865/71 and subsequent change to the previous resolution of Civil Law 69 11 .11.2010.
Mayor : it is a consequence of the earlier
Armani : we had abstained because there were articles that puzzles us, have been removed and this gives us pleasure.
Vote:
favor: 8 (Majority - Lavanga out)
Abstain: 4 (Minority)
The board ends around 22:45
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