City Council of July 13, 2010
City Council Pogliano Milanese begins Tuesday, July 13 at 18:44
The agenda is as follows:
- Approved minutes of previous meetings (April 29, 2010 May 18, 2010).
- 's announcements on the activities of the City Mayor and to facts and events of particular interest to the community (Article 66 - Rules of the City Council).
- Mozione presentata dal consigliere comunale Sig.a Moroni Giulia - Gruppo Consiliare “Vivere Pogliano” – Prot. N. 6975 del 10.06.2010 ad oggetto: “Convenzione con Comune di Rho per parcheggio Rho-Fiera Milano”.
- Interrogazione presentata dal consigliere comunale Sig. Lucato Luigi - Gruppo Consiliare “Vivere Pogliano” – Prot. N. 7017 dell’11.06.2010 ad oggetto: “Deliberazione per ricorso in appello avverso la sentenza N. 589/2009”.
- Nomina Revisore Unico dell'Azienda Speciale Farmaceutica di Pogliano Milanese.
- Edit Company Statute GESEM Ltd
- Act of address for the establishment of the Company Gesem Maintenance Ltd.
- Act of address for the establishment of the Company Gesem Sport srl.
- Variation of the Integrated Programme of Action of Via S. Francis / Madonna / Arluno finally approved by resolution of City Council N. 58, 25.11.2008.
- Changes and additions to the Municipal Register of Associations.
- Changes and additions Regulation for the use of buildings and premises owned by local associations, institutions and individuals.
- New Regulations for the use of sports facilities.
- IREP Articles of Association (Institute for Research and Education Permanente) approval.
Present: all except the absent justified Armani, Lucchini, Risi, Palermo.
(index) 1. Approval of minutes of previous meetings (April 29, 2010 and May 18, 2010). No observation. Minutes approved unanimously.
(index) 2. Communications on the activities of the Mayor of the City and on facts and events of particular interest to the community (Article 66 - Rules of the City Council). - Cape Grimoldi group on events that occurred alderman Ranieri
Grimoldi , in relation to events that happened alderman Ranieri (dead rabbits hanging on the office door), I had read in an interview quotes that said that in his view could have been a strong friend. I would like a clarification with respect to these statements. Ranieri: I was asked to interview and I did. It is not the first time are subject to these gestures, I also happened 15 years ago and then tried to fire my two offices. I'm not afraid of these criminals and mafiosi message, because I believe that those who do these acts are weak people who do not have the courage to face head on. The cameras have taken over the fact, unfortunately you can not clearly distinguish the image. Currently the movie is in the hands of science for the cleaning of the images. If you fail to understand who was proceed. The connection 15 years ago with today is due to the fact that since the act was done by a gruppo che viaggiava nella mia stessa onda politica. Ancora oggi alcune di quelle persone fanno parte della base della nostra area politica. Chiarisco nuovamente che i rapporti con la Lega, sia dentro che fuori dal consiglio comunale sono buoni ed escludo che possano aver fatto un gesto di questo tipo. Ho voluto prevenire strumentilizzazioni con le opposizioni con cui vivo un periodo distensivo, al di là delle battaglie che si svolgono in consiglio comunale. Sindaco : ritengo che la richiesta di Grimoldi sia stata corretta; rinnovo la solidarietà all'assessore Ranieri. Escludo anch'io che le forze politiche di Pogliano facciano questi gesti. Penso piuttosto che sia uno squilibrato che ama fare questi gesti, visto che oltre a Ranieri 15 anni fa, è happened last year the mayor and Lucchini in the past to the mayor Francis Church. - Angel Moroni
1 May our fellow citizen has received the "Star of Merit of work" and being the first in Pogliano, it seemed right to remember. - Middle School Student
a boy Pogliano had the highest grades to middle school (10 cum laude) and was the only one. If he can get later, handed him a scroll. Congratulations also to teachers.
(index) 3. Motion made by Councillor Mrs. Moroni Giulia - Council Chamber Group "Living Pogliano" - N. Prot 6975 of 10.06.2010 to the subject: "Agreement with the City of Rho-Fiera Milano Rho for parking." The initiative comes on the idea of \u200b\u200bwhat has been done by our neighboring municipalities (Arese and Rho). Near the station of Rho-Fiera is a parking lot that provides access to the railway station and the subway
(illustrates the motion) The aim is to encourage the use of public transport and rail.
Mayor: We agree with the type of motion. These prices are absolutely too much for parking. I believe that these charges are outrageous. Inoltre il parcheggio è un problema sentito, anche a Rho è difficile parcheggiare, soprattutto sulle strisce bianche. Noi non abbiamo istituito parcheggi a pagamento perché non lo riteniamo corretto.
Carnovali : condivido la mozione. Sono stato ad un paio di incontri con gli assessori di Rho. Stiamo quindi lavorando con il comune di Rho per avviare la convenzione e dovremmo avere diritto a circa 40 pass (in proporzione al numero degli abitanti). Entro fine mese dovremmo riuscire ad avviare la convenzione.
Sindaco : immagino che la convenzione sia gratuita.
Lazzaroni : la logica è che Pogliano è parte del territorio della Fiera e quindi un qualche beneficio ai comuni vada riconosciuto.
Vote: unanimously approved.
(index) 4. Question submitted by Councillor Louis Mr. Lucato - Council Chamber Group "Living Pogliano" - N. Prot 11 .06.2010 7017 cover: "Decision to appeal against the decision No. 589/2009. Lucato : With this question we wanted to know the reasons for the appeal against this ruling. I make a premise: we do not enter the merits of the reasons that led to the penalty, because if you were given the reasons have been definitely fixed. What we ask is how ever, if the penalty was paid in time, it was decided to appeal, especially as they have already been sentenced to a fine of € 1,000 in Pogliano. The risk of wasting more public money. We would like to know the reasons which led to the appeal.
Mayor : the party is done by the police. If we are appeals means that our office has given us this advice. However, it is very difficult to do something against the evil costume. For example, there is a prostitute on this round of Barbaiana to 2 pm. Fighters have brought to the police station at least 9 / 10 times and only now has finally started to give up.
Trevino : to answer the question, I'm forced to go into the. The ruling is wrong, and even the judges are fallible.
1. The whole story stems from the fact that the mayor has issued this order after a report by the police in contravention of Rho. The police in the minutes that occurred at 3:05 at night the place was still open when it should have close to 2. The mayor then imposed the penalty of 500 € and the accessory penalty of one month of closure. Mrs. August 24 brings a case and refutes the merit of the penalty, but five days after paying a fine lady in reduced form. We believe that the payment has not raised the lady from the penalty of closing. The court held otherwise, but the Court è a nostro favore. Un esempio in questo senso sono le multe con decurtazione dei punti. Il pagamento della multa non elimina la pena della decurtazione dei punti.
Il danno per le casse ci sarebbe stato se non fossimo ricorsi in appello e tra l'altro ci sarebbe stato un esempio negativo per gli altri esercenti.
Lucato : c'è ancora un punto che mi sfugge. Forse è stata troppo veloce la tempistica dell'ordinanza di pagamento, che è arrivata prima dei 60 giorni previsti dalla legge.
Trevisiol : ma la parte pecuniaria e quella sulla chiusura sono staccate.
Sindaco : tra l'altro se non fossimo ricorsi in appello, davamo la possibilità di farci una ulteriore richiesta di danni. Against this bar all Pogliano has something to say. We are surprised that the minority situation to ride this year apart.
Lucato : perhaps I was not clear. The fines should be given. And they deserve the penalty is certainly true.
Trevino: I repeat that I do not think there is a waste of money, it would have been if we had not been used.
Lazzaroni : the problem we ask us is this. We agree with the politics of security. If, however, is handled in this way, we fear that the message is still negative. That the lawyer proposes action seems to be the most peaceful in the world. Like the lady. Given that the ruling gave the wrong Joint Pogliano clearly, we wonder whether it is worth.
Mayor : it was worth it, and then we did.
Ranieri: I am personally convinced that there are 3 categories (...) doctors and lawyers to whom we must trust. We trust our lawyer and the lawyer Trevino, we proceeded. The problem lies elsewhere. This majority is the problem that has arisen since the beginning in this country, that of security. The disaster brought by the Flash Bar we see it all, and the mayor is in charge of this situation and rightly go to the end. We believe this unjust sentence and if necessary we will go up in cassation.
Mayor : the difficult order when it is put for 30 years has done disorder. I say again thanks to the supervision and control that police are doing a lot.
Ranieri: I recognize that by the supervisor, there have been efforts, but have not yet done enough.
(index) 5. Appointment of Auditor One of the Special Pharmaceuticals Pogliano Milanese. Mayor : there is to nominate, by secret vote. The auditor is only after the amendment of the Rules of a few months ago. Redaelli Roger is the name of the majority.
Lazzaroni : what were the criteria for screening? The profiles do not seem so distant. Some people are Pogliano, some have already done so.
Mayor : Redaelli's record seemed more than we know and also because we have already worked in the past and we trust a professional and serious.
The vote was secret.
10 votes in Battle
Redaelli
1 1 2 Petricca
Blank
Redaelli then appointed Roger.
(index) 6. Edit Company Statute GESEM Ltd Mayor: This is the dr. Bartolomeoo Sockets, General Manager of Gesem to illustrate the points that concern the Gesem. The presentation of the 3 points will be unique.
Clogs: the issue is quite simple: Gesem is involved in various activities (Pogliano Tax and Waste). Back in autumn last year, the board of directors of Gesem proposed to the shareholders and thus Pogliano a restructuring of the company. First to regulatory issues relating to service companies.
remember Gesem consists of the municipalities of Laindon, Pogliano, Nerviano and Arese.
The new structure provides:
1. Gesem Ltd., a sort of holding the head of service companies and public service companies
2. Tributes Gesem
3. Gesem Manutenzioni
4. Gesem Sport
5. Gesem SMG (Società di vendita del Gas)
6. Gesem Energia (energie rinnovabili)
7. Gesem Ambiente (pulizia urbana)
Occorre quindi modificare lo statuto della Gesem s.r.l., per specificare bene di che cosa si vogliono interessare le società al di sotto di Gesem s.r.l..
Il secondo passaggio è dare mandato al sindaco Magistrelli per andare nell'assemblea dei soci e votare per la costituzione della Gesem Manutenzioni e della Gesem Sport
La Gesem Manutenzioni nasce fondamentalmente da un'esigenza del comune di Lainate.
La Gesem Sport nasce invece da un'esigenza del comune di Arese.
Nella storia di Gesem, quando un sindaco solleva un'esigenza other mayors are meeting to allow him to start the service in that municipality. This does not mean then to extend these services in other municipalities. The
Gesem Maintenance born to spin-off of assets and personnel from Gesem Ltd, while the Gesem new sport was born, and then you will build up from scratch.
Short break. Is handed the scroll to the boy's third media fired by a vote of 10 to praise Lazzaroni : I wanted to thank you for coming Sockets to explain these changes in the company. Some clarifications: first, during this time when we hear of new companies, there are fears the emergence of too many new seats, I apologize the term. The second is about Gesem Maintenance and whether the tasks assigned to this company "override" the public procurement rules. Add
with pleasure that we made in the past when someone criticizes us Gesem and instead it seems to me that the whole Gesem functions well and effectively.
Sockets: coming to the two questions.
When we presented the new structure to the mayors our intention was to create a lean and not a bandwagon. In
Gesem Ltd director and so there was only one remains. When is a limited liability company must find an administrator.
Gesem Tributes To me the sole director emoluments to 0. To decide Gesem Maintenance members.
Regarding the second question, the answer is absolutely not. A Lainate work gave us "change" we can do directly. We want to avoid doing the rubber-stamping because we do not give added value. Of course not everything can we do: in this case we are subject to the procurement code. One example is the contract for urban cleaning.
Horse : Lazzaroni perhaps asking a different thing. But the town of Pogliano must make a tender or make a direct contribution to Gesem?
Clogs: the expectation is straightforward, because society is the common
Lavanga : to reduce the bureaucratic activities of our offices, perché Gesem lo può fare per più comuni e quindi lo fa con maggiore efficienza. Poi cose come la direzione lavori deve rimanere invece a persone di fiducia dell'amministrazione. Comunque oggi è solo un atto di indirizzo, oggi non stiamo decidendo di affidare a Gesem le manutenzioni. Lo valuteremo in futuro. Tra l'altro Gesem anticipa i soldi per i lavori.
Sindaco : confermo che per ora Gesem non è diventato un carrozzone, senza aumento di consiglieri e direttori.
Lucato : mi chiedevo di chi è il capitale sociale di queste nuove società. In seconda battuta in che modo vengono ripartiti i costi sui soci.
Zoccoli : il capitale sociale di 10.000€ sarà versato by Gesem srl. With regard to costs in the future will be affected if Pogliano, with the assessors will evaluate the needs and then identify the costs. There is the possibility to optimize the costs for both personnel and equipment.
Grimoldi : the purpose of society is that of balance. If the company has losses and does not adhere to a common example Gesem Maintenance, what is the procedure? It also involved the joint member who is not part of Gesem Maintenance?
Clogs: the allocation of losses is made to the municipalities that use the service. But the question arises, what we do of any profits? They go and come Gesem Ltd. distributed among the common shareholders. A
Lainate we are giving an excellent level of service. A Lainate such Lura was released and we have provided people, Villa Litta we settled. The advantage is that we simply do not have to cover costs and make profits.
The vote was unanimously approved
(index) 7. Act to address for the establishment of the Company Gesem Maintenance Ltd. We proceed to vote unanimously approved
(index) 8. Act to address for the establishment of the Company Gesem Sport srl. We proceed to vote unanimously approved
(index) 9. Variation of the Integrated Programme of Action of St. Francis Street / Madonna / Arluno finally approved by resolution of City Council N. 58, 25.11.2008. Ranieri: This plan was already approved and therefore not potevavmo lock because it would have taken an appeal to the TAR. Nevertheless, we have intervened, saving the municipality. For example, there was a road that would unite via Madonna Arluno way that would not be served to anyone. Click this link road would cost about € 200,000 which would have been cleared of charges of urbanization with damage to the town. We therefore have required it to be deleted and become exclusive to the fund, which then must also always keep. This brings additional burdens on municipal coffers. Then we reviewed the arrangement of buildings and parking lots in particular have moved on via San Francisco and on the way Arluno. Then we moved the green on the road because Madonna would take us high maintenance costs. We took the construction of the buildings along Via Madonna, preserving as much as possible the existing houses.
Lazzaroni : some concerns. Rispetto alla strada prevista, tu sei certo che l'onere non fosse a carico dell'operatore?
Ranieri : sì, sono sicuro
Lazzaroni : però insieme alla strada c'è un parcheggio che a questo punto non è più d'utilizzo pubblico
Irmici : il parcheggio rimane ad uso pubblico, anche se il parcheggio è privato. Comunque i parcheggi e i posti auto sono stati potenziati rispetto a quanto in previsione. In termini di manutenzione sia per la strada che per la striscia di verde, che viene inclusa in recinzione, con delle direttive sulla piantumazione, ma i cui costi sono a carico del privato.
Lazzaroni : è più un problema d'approccio, also referring to the history of Pogliano. I think the situation Tarantelli Square and Republic Square which led to the subject of dispute. I always wonder why meddle with agreements already made with the operator. I have some doubts on the green because there was room for putting green, make a bike path, etc, and instead the green you do, thank goodness, but in a private area. The question is, these areas have been deducted from the calculation of the standard supplied, as are no longer sold.
Lavanga : we had some doubts about this sector and the battle lasted five years, but even he had doubts because you have had five years to approve it and you did not do. Before the change in the law was illegitimate, then the change of law has become legitimate. Space requirements could not change them, but we made some improvements. The road was a tricksy because it served only to deduct the charges. The buildings were moved because they do not make a shadow, the bike path has been, we removed the green because it costs too much maintenance.
Irmici : the green belt was 1m and a half.
Ranieri: I have always been opposed to this fund because it was the only greenery in the middle of the country and you did it disappear. Unfortunately, I found a resolution passed and then I could not do anything else. I repeat, however, that € 250,000 in the coffers of municipalities will charges only for the road is not built.
Lazzaroni : the economic benefits are the same now as then: € 1,930,000 was paid and will pay as much now. The difference is that green is not usable
Grimoldi : I wanted to say two things about this industry, because I am a member of the Environment Committee.
Lazzaroni : You remember when it was called the committee?
Grimoldi : this afternoon, but the director of minority did not come
Lazzaroni, because the director has health problems.
Grimoldi : I too would have liked to see more green, but they told me that it is not possible and then we evaluated as having more burden for the municipality. The road is gone and that there were parking lots have been recovered. Regarding the green band was still a break between the village and the road and therefore not usable. A load of the town was the only maintenance
Lazzaroni : you raised the question whether the area was deducted from the charges?
Grimoldi : I am interested in the requirement for planting, but the costs are borne by them. This green is not usable. The bike path remains. I felt overall the best solution.
Cavallo: I wanted to know who did the accounts to make € 1,930,000 from the land. I've made the deal done by an expert and it is not our fault, but of those who voted. Another question: what it means building a convention? In what should come across to those who buy it? What are they paying?
Lazzaroni : is not that the municipalities give the value they want, but the agency is the territory that is the value of the Integrated Action Plans, particularly dell'incrememnto the value of the land when you change the intended use. The subsidized housing is what the law says, we all agree that the houses should cost less, but unfortunately this can not change us things from this point of view.
Horse : What I say is that when it comes to subsidized housing pay more than the apartment which also trampled meters (eg driveway).
Lavanga on prices you could not do much unless an initiative to make public housing, so we wanted the money.
Horse: the people must say that paying the garden, not only the square meters of the house.
Lucato : can you also explain to the people.
favor: 9 (Majority, Rice has abandoned the classroom)
Abstain: 1 (Cavallo)
Against: 3 (Minority)
(index) 10. Modifiche ed integrazioni al registro comunale delle Associazioni. Gabriele Magistrelli : abbiamo apportato delle modifiche perché i regolamenti precedenti erano lacunosi e alcuni erano fatti con il copia e incolla da quelli di altri comuni e inoltre erano citati alcuni organi che non erano in funzione come ad esempio l'osservatorio delle associazioni e l'osservatorio delle associazioni sportive.
Il primo regolamento che abbiamo modificato è quello dello del registro comunale delle Associazioni. Viene modificato il punto 2 dove viene istituita la consulta delle associazioni culturali, sociali, etc e la consulta delle associazioni sportive.
Oggi il programma comunale veniva fatto dall'assessore e poi presentato the associations, almost as an imposition from above. Instead it should be the other way.
With this we see that the groups should participate more in the life of the City.
The consultation consists of a member by association. There will be a president of meetings and will consult in order to propose a program to the City.
For example, we hope that the holidays of the various groups do not overlap. Associations are also recognized by the parishes (Caritas, Asst mother culture Fang) will participate in the consultation.
Trevino: This regulation is passed to the review by the committee. May participate to see the mayor at the request of the City.
Gabriele Magistrelli : esporremo alle associazioni questo e gli altri regolamenti entro fine luglio e a settembre faremo la 1a convocazione della consulta.
Moroni : sarebbe stato utile mettere nel regolamento che le feste non si sovrappongano.
Gabriele Magistrelli : se ci fosse stata la consulta non ci sarebbe stata sovrapposizione (come ad esempio tra festa patronale e festa della pro-loco). A Pregnana hanno la consulta da anni e funziona benissimo.
Cavallo : io volevo spezzare una lancia a mio favore. L'anno scorso non c'era nessuna consulta ma non ci sono state feste sovrapposte.
Gabriele Magistrelli : le feste sono un esempio, ma è l'ultima cosa che interessa associations
Mayor : The only problem is the overlap, which sometimes happens and is not a drama
Horse : But we said that we gave no authorization for several more parties simultaneously and that we authorized under Protocol
Mayor fact, but we try to go under the agreements, not the protocol
Lazzaroni I am convinced that rather than the written regulation is the relationship with the associations that have value. Compared with the regulation but not enough. Not to emphasize too much for example the problem of overlapping. Not all associations, however, will be part of the consultation. You have rightly pointed the "if it will work." Because the issue is the same that was with the observatory. Regarding the alleged copy and paste and the rest, leave it aside because there are errors and inaccuracies in this document.
leaves me rather perplexed a statement that the consultations should cooperate with the commissioner, as written in the regulation. It's true.
Mayor : work means in the broad sense, in both directions
Lazzaroni : but the words have a precise meaning
Mayor: But beyond what is written, the intention is to do things together with associations
Irmici : But it does not say exactly what it says Lazzaroni
Mayor : remarked that the regulations were finalized after a year of work
Lucato : was not cited the parents' association of the school. While it is a year that you are working on these regulations, for the next time I hope for greater involvement of the minority. You can not receive material so important one day before the meeting. On the visit I see a big difference from the observatory. What counts is the willingness to cooperate. From this point of view, indeed, the observatory had maybe some more power
Gabriele Magistrelli : concerning parents do not know: was admitted to?
Lucato : However, it is known, as for example was involved for the right plan to study
Gabriele Magistrelli : These regulations have been shot at the office on April 2. I do not know because then they arrived so late. On the involvement with the visit I see it, the observatory did not see it.
Lucato : You're right, but will have been the wrong approach, because the issue is people.
Mariani: I just wanted to add that when I found myself busy with associations, my attitude was clear: I was looking for cooperation and said that those who had proposals come to me without any problems. Those who have rights, saying it has always done so, had little. However, anyone who is offered in a constructive manner had the appoggiio. They still agree with that at the end Lucato worth individuals.
You move to the vote:
favor: 9 (Majority)
Abstain: 3 (Minority)
(index) 11. Changes and additions to the Regulation for the use of buildings and premises owned by local associations, institutions and individuals. Gabriele Magistrelli : Regulation is a more technical than the first. In Specifically, we changed the price for the house party in the marketplace and TOSAP. We have also introduced a deposit for the building of more parties.
The most important is the regulation for the multi-service center. In order to use the associations must be registered in the register, spaces are allocated by the junta, with annual renewal and with the signing of the legal representative of the association.
Lazzaroni : a note. Compared to the use of community hall, says that can be used by parties, but not entitled to the gratuity which is usually provided through the support provided by the city initiatives, but the parties can not rightly ask. On multi-building services, distribution of spaces is not defined the criteria by which they are divided spaces. It is totally at the discretion of the board?
Mayor : there may be some difficulties in perspective. We will evaluate on a case by case, depending on the space.
Lazzaroni, but if you get a group of 2 people what to do?
Trevino : there is some criterion in the regulation
Lazzaroni : But are not enough. Should be more specific as has been done, for example, in a small center for the elderly.
Mayor: We would like to make better use also the center for the elderly
Gabriele Magistrelli : when drafting the regulation, we decided to leave this issue undefined
We pass the vote. Approved unanimously
(index) 12. New Regulations for the use of sports facilities. Gabriele Magistrelli : The regulation has already passed in committee. Defines the criteria for payment of tariffs. Better controls the hours can be used by various sports associations. Some associations were interventions on their own initiative, not allowed. Capacity utilization can be standardized by conventions. For example, we will Football changed that area of \u200b\u200bthe playground.
Lazzaroni : we are in the regulation of the obligations of the associations. But if you do not respect them?
Gabriele Magistrelli : they must meet.
Mayor: we must obey the rules. Behind closed doors with locks, associations that do not pay. This is not acceptable.
Lazzaroni : for the primary school gym has been defined to prevent access to car parking in the yard?
Mayor : cars can not park already
Horse : But going on and it happens even now
We pass the vote. Approved unanimously
(index) 13. Articles of the Association IREP (Institute for Research and Education Permanente) approval. Mariani : dell'IREP the new statute, an institution founded in 1991, took into account the latest changes IREP between himself and the province of Milan. Increased membership, two activities have been developed (orientation in the school entry and school drop-out prevention) that were not among the original purposes of the association. All the towns involved are voting for the amendment of the Statute.
Lazzaroni : The only regret is strong that the province of Milan does not recognize plus the value of these assets and not more funding. It would be appropriate to forward a formal request to the province.
Mariani it's already been done and three months ago we went to the region by the head of the school. We had the detachment of a part-time person and have asked the finia
We pass the vote. Approved unanimously
The board ends around 23:30
